FAQs
(Frequently
Asked Questions)
Answers by: G. W. Finger,
Past Chairman MBSI Southeast Chapter
What is my Music Box worth?
Many factors affect the value
of an antique music box.
Generally the larger the cylinder or disc, the greater the
value. Interchangeable cylinder music boxes have greater value
than ones that play a single cylinder.
A good case and the original tune card add value. Special
features, such as segmental combs and bells appeal to many
collectors. Since the value is determined by somebody who enjoys
listening to its music, the songs and quality of the music are
big factors. Things that really cut the value of a music box to
a fraction of its former value are many broken teeth or tooth
tips. These indicate that the box has experienced a run. (This
happens when the cylinder has run at high speed and broken some
of the instrument, usually because the governor was disabled by
an inexperienced tinkerer.) If you are trying to sell it, the
value of your music box is determined by the buyer - someone who
enjoys listening to it and watching it play. You can get a feel
for prices on eBay. Members of the MBSI Southeast Chapter
frequently bring their working and nonworking music boxes to one
of our three yearly meetings. At the meetings several
experienced collectors can offer their advice on its value and
may even suggest a collector who might be interested. Members
frequently bring working and nonworking music boxes to the
meetings for the “mart” – the swap meet where we share and sell
instruments, parts, discs, piano rolls, etc.
How can I get my player piano
fixed?
Antique Player Pianos operate
on a vacuum system which sucks little bellows closed in order to
strike the keys. With age, the bellows fabric wears holes, the
hoses start to leak and the valves get sluggish. Eventually it
becomes impossible to pump enough with your feet (or with a
vacuum pump) to enjoy the music. It might only need someone to
replace a broken hose. But it also might need a complete
rebuild. The MBSI Southeast Chapter library has several books
which describe in detail with step by step photos how to repair
and rebuild a player piano, including the complicated
“reproducing” style player pianos. These books are available for
loan to members. Further, the chapter is fortunate to have as
members some of the finest pneumatic rebuilders in the country.
These specialists regularly come to the meetings and can offer
advice, estimates and assistance.
When was my music box made?
The heyday of music boxes
occurred in the 1800s and early 1900s. A few were made before
then. The earliest generally had brass bedplates and segmental
combs. The songs on the cylinder can help date the music box
because the date the composer wrote the song is usually known.
The music box had to be made after the last song on it was
written. Many music boxes have lost their tune card and the
songs are lesser known today. It is common at MBSI meetings to
play a music box for others and see who can “name that tune”.
Once you have determined all the tunes, you can date the box.
How can I convert my player piano
to MIDI?
Many members of MBSI enjoy computer controlled
instruments. Applying the Musical Instrument Digital Interface
(MIDI) is a way several
of them, have done it.
Our members have converted upright pianos and grand pianos to
play songs without using paper rolls by having the signal come
from their computer via MIDI to
electronic valves or solenoids. One member has converted an
instrument which plays a violin and piano together (Mills
Violano) to a MIDI
system, while leaving the punched paper roll capability intact.
He has also added computer controlled drums, xylophone,
tambourine, etc. to make a large orchestrion which plays all
kinds of music. Some members have bought and installed
prepackaged systems on their instruments. Others have made their
own systems (and circuit boards) from scratch. Whichever your
approach, the ability to talk with others who have successfully
done this is of great value in order to avoid wasted effort,
unnecessary expense and the risk of underpowered solenoids. As
an MBSI member, you would be able to meet with and discuss with
others who know what works and what doesn’t.
Where did my music box come from?
Germany? France?
Switzerland? Japan? Many
music boxes in the US
were imported here by agents in New York, Chicago, etc. Some were
brought here as family heirlooms. Clues to the manufacturer
reside on the stamping on the comb, stamping of the bedplate,
the style of the governor, the materials used and other obscure
factors. There are several books in print by Arthur W. J. G. Ord-Hume
and H. A. V. Bulleid that give help in identifying makers and
dates from tune cards and maker's marks stamped onto bed plates,
etc. Some are available
new or used from Amazon.com. There are also several out of
print reference books that help you figure out if your music box
came from Geneva, Saint Croix or
elsewhere. The library of the MBSI Southeast chapter(and the
national MBSI library) has many of these books on hand and makes
them available to members because they are hard to find and
sometimes pricey.
How do I reassemble my
Nickelodeon?
Many Nickelodeons started out
as coin operated player pianos with a xylophone and some drums.
Along the way parts have been discarded and now it is unclear
what was originally there. It may also be unclear how the
remaining parts should be rebuilt and reassembled. The MBSI has
a directory which lists the members and their instruments. If
you need to know what the inside of your particular instrument
should look like, it is common to find someone else with a
similar instrument and ask them to send photos, take
measurements, etc. The bottom line is that if you need help
restoring an instrument, usually someone in the MBSI has a
similar instrument and will share the data needed with you so
you can get yours back together and making music again.
How much will it cost to repair my
music box?
If your music box plays well
and makes beautiful music – congratulations. If not, fixing it
can be time consuming or expensive. Music box repair is
precision work which combines machinist skills with musical
instrument builder skills. When I replaced broken teeth on a
Regina comb, it took me about one day per tooth to form the
tooth in tool steel, harden the tooth, temper it, solder the
weight to the tooth, prepare the comb, solder the tooth to the
comb and then to finally finish tune it. This becomes very
expensive if you are paying someone. Unfortunately, some music
boxes would cost more to repair than they are worth. The MBSI
library has several books which explain in detail how to do
this. Several members of the Southeast chapter repair their own
music boxes and can offer advice. The
chapter also is fortunate to have some of the world’s
premier music box restoration experts as members. They can
restore teeth so you cannot tell they were ever broken. They can
re-pin entire cylinders. They come to nearly every meeting and
can offer advice and repair suggestions and estimates.
What about modern music boxes?
Many members collect small
modern music boxes which play a single tune and are part of a
decorative statuette, snow globe, etc. After the introduction of
the phonograph and radio, the demand for large self playing
musical instruments dropped. What remained by the 1950s was for
the small musical movements still seen today. Many of these have
beautiful sounds and play modern tunes. The wonderful things
about these music boxes are that they are affordable for all
budgets and generally there is room around the house for lots of
them. MBSI welcomes all of mechanical music enthusiasts, whether
they collect new or old music boxes, whether they collect
mechanical pianos, mechanical organs, MIDI
instruments or miniature bird boxes.